If you don't like me and don't want work withe me, please feel free to form group #3 , to counter this eletism of policymakers. Even if nothing good comes, it will a useful exercise in community work, as opposed to elite of "the best". `'mikka 23:52, 13 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It seems to me that like the original "go live" of the ATT project this "community discussion" is rushing ahead with too little discussion and too little separation of interests. In a most responsible organisations, there is a separation of functions and people in such situations. The people directly involved in the original (failed) project, are not involved in setting the terms and conditions under which a board of enquiry/committee/commission into the original project will work, and the members of that commission are people who were not involved in either the original project or in setting the terms under which they do their work. However depending on the terms and conditions of the commission, they would be free to call on the expert opinions of the participants in the original project in how to move forward. --Philip Baird Shearer 10:14, 14 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Hereby I am setting Wikipedia_talk:Attribution/WG-2/Action plan. Ance again, membership is free, first come - first served. The WG-2 is not pretending to be or to select the "cream of cream", will not be afraid to fail, will not stand "over its dead body" in defense of the result, will not shove "months of hard work" into other's noses, will not expect any glory or barnstars. Finally, it will not wait for holy approval to start; it will start as soon as a third person signs up in #Working group #2. `'mikka 16:40, 14 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Merzul has experimented with the transclusion compromise mockup at Wikipedia talk:Attribution/Community discussion/transclusion. Everyone feel free to check it out, experiment, improve, ... WAS 4.250 11:16, 16 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
All this talk about how to structure Wikipedia's core policies is missing an important consideration. I believe editors need better tools to enforce these policies on a day to day basis. In particular, I would propose that the various dispute resolution activities on Wikipedia be asked to use a two step process. In the first step, disputants would be asked to list the sources for the positions they are taking, the nature of the sources, if they are not generally familiar, and what they actually say. If one (or both) disputants cannot provide sources supporting their positions that meet some threshold of acceptability, the dispute resolution should end there. If there are acceptable sources, but they are disputed because of alleged bias or relative authority, say, that would be dealt with in the second, substantive phase along with other matters raised. Based on my recent experience, I think a significant number of disputes would be speedily dispatched in this way. More importantly, I think editors would be more aggressive in removing poorly sourced material if they didn't fear getting involved in lengthly, argumentative processes.--agr 15:06, 2 May 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
...unless it is enforced as strongly as possible. We really need STRICT enforcement of Wikipedia policy -- whether it's ATT or NOR/V, or NPOV, or whatever. An editor should not be able to game the rules and get their crank theory, opinion, unpublished research, or other policy-violating material put in an article, period. Tougher admins, clearer policy, and other things are all important to doing this. If we want a high-quality encyclopedia, this is absolutely, unquestionably a necessity. Right now the enforcement just seems too lax. mike4ty4 06:21, 5 May 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Final Fantasy VII is the seventh installment in the Final Fantasy series, first released in 1997 by Square Co., Ltd., and continues to be one of the most popular games in the series (not if GameFAQs has anything to say about it). It was directed by Yoshinori Kitase, written by Kitase and Kazushige Nojima, and produced by Hironobu Sakaguchi. It was the first game of the Final Fantasy series to be developed for the PlayStation rather than a Nintendo system, and the first game in the series to be ported to Windows with a remake for PlayStation 4 announced at E3 2015 and released in 2017. Final Fantasy VII was the first Final Fantasy title with entirely 3D (polygonal) character models, although the majority of environments were two-dimensional pre-rendered maps (except the world map and battle screens, which were rendered in full 3D). The remake had the best graphics of any game ever made, but forced the devs to release the game on several blu-ray discs, overloading players' PS4 HDDs with crap.
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